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Dr. Laura Brayton:
Welcome to another episode of Well-Adjusted Mama. Iām your host, Dr. Laura Brayton. And today, I have the pleasure of interviewing a mentor for me in the chiropractic profession, Dr. Marty Rosen, and we speak about common vs.
normal regarding pediatric growth and development. Dr. Rosen is a 1981 summa cum laude graduate of Life Chiropractic College. Since 1982, he has maintained a private practice in Wellesley, Massachusetts. Besides his practice, Dr. Rosen has traveled nationally and internationally teaching chiropractic technique, pediatrics, cranial adjusting chiropractic philosophy and practice management. His educational offerings include hands-on and online workshops and seminars, guest lectures, instructional videos, written books and articles, published research papers, and one-on-one interviews.
He is dedicated to giving chiropractors the tools and skills necessary to take care of children and to inspire them to expand this branch of chiropractic. With his wife, Dr. Nancy Watson, they run the Peak Potential Institute offering premier educational programs for the chiropractic profession. Their most recent book, Itās All in the Head, was published for the public. You can find it on Amazon, and was written to inform and bring awareness of the implications that cranial distortions can have in the initial stages of childhood growth and development. For more information, check out his website at drmartinrosen.com. Hi Dr. Rosen, welcome to the show. Iām very excited to have you on today.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Hi, Laura. Thank you very much for having me. Iām really excited about being here with you.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Youāre such a wealth of knowledge and information regarding pediatric development. Youāve been teaching this content to the chiropractic profession for 40 years. Iām excited for you to share it with all the moms listening so that they can have a better understanding, especially when their gut intuition tells them that maybe somethingās a little bit off with their baby or child and what they can do about it.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
I think thatās great. Itās funny because today I had two moms come in. I was taking care of their babies and both of them were just so frustrated because they werenāt getting any help with their pediatrician. One of them was a mom who was having difficulty nursing her baby, and the pediatrician said, āDonāt worry about it. Just put her on formula.ā And she was like, āNo, I want to nurse my baby.ā She goes, āThey have nothing for me.ā Actually, Iāve adjusted the baby about three times now, and she starting to nurse and the momās really happy. The other one was a child who had bowel movement problems, wasnāt pooping. And the pediatrician said, oh, give him prunes, or donāt worry about it. Itās only seven days. Iām like, only seven days. If I didnāt have a bowel movement for seven days, I would not be a happy person.
But I hear this all the time, and I think youāre right. Parents need a place to go, but they also need someone to listen to their intuition. Itās never been my experience that a mother is wrong when sheās talking about her childās development. I remember one of the worst cases was a woman, the kid was 11 years old and she was living in California. She was visiting in Massachusetts through relatives, and someone told her to come see me because she had problems with her kid. I evaluated the kid. She came in for the report of findings, and I was telling her what I found and just started crying, just sobbing. She goes, āI knew there was something wrong with my kid at 18 months. I have been screaming at pediatricians, telling them thereās something wrong, and youāre the first one whoās actually told me that thereās not only something wrong, but something I can do about it.ā Itās literally been almost 10 years that sheās been doing it.
So, yeah, itās an extremely important topic. I think the medical system is overwhelmed right now, and we as chiropractors and especially pediatric chiropractors, we really see this and we study the neurology. And thatās what weāre looking for is neurological changes. So, if a mother has a doubt or an issue, and for me, if I see a neurological issue, whether it be considered minor or major, I want to change that. I think that one of the things we talked about is common vs. normal, and thatās the problem is people say, oh, itās no big deal. My friendās kid had that and my other kid has that, and this kid has that. And itās common for a kid to throw up. Itās common for a kid to have reflux. Itās common for kids. Thatās not okay when common and normal intercede and become the same thing. Thatās a problem. And thatās where my big concern is.
Normal is just the baseline. I donāt even like normal. As chiropractors, we talk about optimal potential. So, normal is literally just the very baseline of what we want for our children at the very baseline, and we want more than that. Every parent wants more than that. So, I think itās a real problem that common becomes acceptable. And parents need a way, like you said, to see whether it be a developmental milestone issue, whether it be the way the child looks, like the child looks a little strange. There was a study done and in the American Pediatric Association came out and said that 47% of children that are born today have some kind of head distortions, whether it be diagnosis of plagiocephaly or brachycephaly or whatever it is, flat head syndrome. 47% of them have it, only 10% of them should be treated. And Iām like-
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thatās so weird.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
… where do you get that number? Thatās like getting to go to the chiropractic office and say, well, 47% of the people I see have spinal dysfunction, but Iām only going to treat 10% of them. But thatās the standard. When your kid looks-
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Youāre talking about the worst 10, the worst of the worst, right? Super severe. Everybody looking at this head is going to know thereās an issue.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Exactly. And thatās when you treat it. Thereās a 21 millimeter difference and the kid looks like he was born in a waffle maker, then we should treat that. I know. And itās crazy.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
And the treatment is typically a DOC Band, thatās the treatment.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Or a helmet, which, again, an external fix as opposed to an internal fix. Thatās what I love about what we do. It was amazing. This mom who I was talking to about the child having trouble pooping, she goes, āI donāt understand, doctor,ā she goes, āI want to get to the root cause of this. I want to know why this is happening to my child. I want to know what I can do not only to help him,ā and she was just like, āitās so frustrating. They never get to the root cause.ā And the root cause is neurology often, structure, function, neurology. Thatās the root causes. I think itās really important for parents to have a way to determine. Thatās why we wrote the book. Thatās why Nancy and I wrote the book during COVID. We couldnāt teach as we used to teach. We were teaching 20, 25 times a year, and during COVID locked down, there were places we couldnāt go. So, we said, what do we do?
Dr. Laura Brayton:
You had some extra time on your hands.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
We have extra time. Weāre together. We canāt just hang out. And we were married 40 years. If we just hang out together, that would be devastating, so we worked together. Thatās why we wrote the book, Itās All in the Head, because we wanted to give parents baselines, which is what we do in office. We look at the childās baseline and we want to change it. I was thinking today as I was driving here, I was saying the CDC just released, if you know, new guidelines. And the guidelines are horrific because what they did is they pushed everything out, they pushed language out, they took creeping and crawling out of a normal milestone, and they pushed everything out. Even patients of mine who are speech therapists or pediatric nurses came in and said, āThis is horrible. Theyāre going to miss all these developmental signs.
Theyāre going to not give people early intervention, early development.ā
And the thing I was thinking about when I was coming there, I said, you know if kids are functioning worse, if theyāre not reaching their milestones that are pre-programmed into the brain. Theyāve been pre-programmed for generations, generations and generations. Theyāre pre-programmed loops at feedback, so when you lift your head, when you can turn, sit, crawl, on and on and on, that develops a nervous system. If we take those pre-programmed loops and stretch them out and make them longer, we are going to have developmental delays, developmental issues. And I was thinking, if you watch the Olympics and every year the athletes got worse when we take the world records and oh, theyāre slower this year. Good, letās bring the world record down. Youāre going to say, no, we donāt accept that in that. But we can accept that in our children? Personally, I canāt accept that in children. Thatās insane, lowering the neurological bar.
I donāt know how the CDC could… Well, I donāt know how they could sleep at night for a lot of things, but in particular, you canāt lower the bar. And thatās the same thing we just talked about in the beginning. Theyāre taking things that are becoming common and maybe part of the numbers are seen because of COVID kids have been locked down, kids have had mass, they havenāt been able to interrelate. It has definitely limited their ability to grow because they need stimulation. So, now theyāre seeing it, and now thatās becoming acceptable norm as opposed to basically now being able to increase stimulation so the nervous system can then develop to its potential. So, yeah, I find a lot of that very frustrating.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Itās frustrating. And I think whatās ironic is youāre reading the guidelines. It keeps saying, if you see a regression or if something isnāt off, ask for early intervention, talk to your doctor, essentially saying youāre your childās advocate, your child better than your doctor, and you need to ask for these things. So, theyāre saying that, but yet like you said, they lowered the milestones.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Actually, the CDC recommendation is that your child should have a neurological evaluation at 18 months. And what we know and has been said in literature, not just in the chiropractic literature, but in the psychological literature that the first year of life is when 80 to 90% of the nervous system foundation is laid down. In the first year of life, the brain grows 101%. So, youāre talking about if youāre waiting until 18 months in the second year of life, it only grows another 15%. So, youāve lost the foundational period. Youāve lost that period. If you are waiting until 18 months…. There was a study done on cerebrospinal fluid. For those of you who donāt know, cerebrospinal fluid is that lymphatic system in the central nervous system. It bathes the brain, it bathes the spinal cord, it brings nutrients to it reduces toxins from that system. Itās the lifeblood of the central nervous system.
They did a study and they found that if they found kids who had too much stagnant or too much cerebrospinal fluid in their cranium, in their head from six to 12 months, they could diagnose up to 70% accuracy that those kids will be on the autism spectrum by the time theyāre two. Thatās the six to 12 month period. So, if youāre waiting 18 months to evaluate your kid, you just miss that window. You just increase the chance of your child having a neurodevelopmental delay. I donāt even know what the percentage is, but that many fold, if they can diagnose 70% of the time. So, yeah, youāre right. So that is just insane lowering that bar and missing those milestones, especially that first year is criminal as far as Iām concerned.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
It seems like what theyāre doing, because as youāre saying, over the past few decades, weāre seeing these epigenetic changes. Weāre seeing these delays become much more common. So much like an explosion of diagnoses. Itās like, okay, now we have to hit this bell curve. We have to get the vast majority of children to fit in this bell curve instead of… Right?
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Right.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Itās like going the other way.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Exactly, yeah. Weāve got to create average and who wants to create average? We donāt want to create… The other problem that is Iād seen it-
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Trying to lower the standard for average too.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
And I think part of that, it may be COVID is part of it, but I also think of it now, the birth process and the pregnancy process is being treated as a disease. Parents go through this intense amount of evaluation protocols, whether it be ultrasound and all these tests. I have this happen, and weāre in Boston and Boston is medical Mecca. We have childrenās hospital. I have patients come in, moms who are pregnant for the first time, and maybe theyāre a little older and maybe theyāre 35, 36, and first theyāre classified as a geriatric pregnancy, thatās just an insult.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Itās so insulting.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
I donāt even know what to say with that. The first time someone came in to me and said, āI have a geriatric pregnancy.ā Iām like, āMy wife would have a geriatric pregnancy, but you donāt have a geriatric. Youāre pregnant and youāre 36 years old.ā I think so many of the interventions that occur in the hospitals too… And so, the point that I was making is that when they start to get the geriatric pregnancy thing, they tell women that if they donāt give birth within the first week of their due date, theyāre going to induce them.
And then when they start to the induction process, then that increases the use of forceps, vacuum and increases the percentage of C-sections. I think the C-section rate in Massachusetts is one of the highest in the country. Itās probably like 38%. Add the trauma of a birth and the trauma of what they put mothers through in pregnancy thinking that, oh, my due dateās Thursday, if I donāt give birth… Iāve never given birth, but I canāt imagine that stress around giving birth on the exact date that is supposed to be your due date doesnāt impact the pregnancy and doesnāt impact the whole
Dr. Laura Brayton:
It does. Or youāll see like, oh, my amniotic fluidās a little low, or the baby is not head down. Thereās so many factors at the end of that womanās pregnancy, or I tested positive for strep B, all these things that are really shifting the type of birth maybe that woman wanted to create for herself. She feels like her hands are tied.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Well, they are. Sometimes it doesnāt happen. Sometimes the optimum birth doesnāt happen. I know sometimes mothers blame themselves, which they obviously should never do, but the bottom line is there are ways that you can have a conscious pregnancy and conscious birth without people throwing all this stuff at you. Like you just said, if you have a āgeriatricā pregnancy, then well, we should test your amniotic fluid. You should do genetic testing because you have a higher propensity for Down syndrome. Itās all the stuff that they freak parents out. Itās like people have been having babies for a fairly long time. I think itās a process that can occur naturally. There are times when interventions are necessary, but to set up the paradigm that… Again, it starts out the whole process. We know that stress hormones during pregnancy affect the babies.
Theyāve done studies for 100 years now. They just say, oh, the type of music, the type of environment the motherās in affects the baby. Thatās like, really? Thatās genius. Weāve only been saying thatās since the inception of time that that affects the baby. So, you have this whole process and then you have a baby that comes out stressed. Youāre right, itās endemic in our society that I see kids that we call sympathetic driven. Theyāre so tight, theyāre so tense, theyāre not sleeping well, they canāt nurse well, and itās because their nervous system is already charged. They come out in a fight or flight state.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thatās right. Theyāre literally like running from a tiger. They think what, so is mom. And then you look at these dyads and youāre like, itās not shocking when theyāre having difficulty with nursing or sleep or pooping, all these normal functions are going to be interrupted.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Well, you think about it when youāre in a fight or flight state, you have an autonomic nervous system. It has two parts, sympathetic and parasympathetic. So, when youāre in a fight or flight state, you got the sympathetic system firing. The sympathetic system is not a healing system. Itās a fight or flight. Itās an active system. The parasympathetic does all the rest and digest is what we call it. It controls all that. If that switch never gets turned on because youāre in that sympathetic state, youāre right then kids have all these problems, digestive issues, neurological issues. Their muscles are so tense and tight that they canāt lift their head or they canāt turn over, or they can only turn over one direction. Theyāre hypersensitive. This is completely hypersensitive. They have hypersensitive gag reflexes, their tone is hypersensitive. They donāt like tummy time, and the list just goes on and on and on.
Unless you can get that child back into a state of balance where their parasympathetic system comes back into play, then youāre going to have problems. I think it was two years ago, the number one drug given to kids was like Prilosec or Zantac.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Right, reflux.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Yeah, for reflux.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
They give them to babies.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Oh, yeah, no, thatās the number one drug given to infants. What Iāve noticed, Iāve been in practice 40 years as you mentioned, and there are all these little things. When I first got into practice, the number one reason parents brought kids to us is because they had chronic ear infections. That was the big thing. All kids had gotten it and chiropractors would help.
I remember this MD used to send these patients to me with ear infections all the time. One time I called her and I said, āI Jeannie,ā I said, āwhy are you sending some of the kids to me and not the other kids who have ear infections? Iām just curious. I donāt want to lose the referrals.ā She goes, āWell, I figure if they only have one ear that gets chronically infected that itās structural, but if they have two ears that is chronically effected, then itās not structural, and then I treat them and donāt send them to you.ā
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thatās so funny.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Iām like, huh. My first thought is… But I didnāt want to lose the half that she was sending to me. So, I kept quiet. But yeah, I hear stuff like that all the time. Parents used to ask me to call the physician who referred, and they would make no sense. They just would say stuff. I remember one kid came and-
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thatās awesome that they even referred to you, right?
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Right. But I remember one kid came in with some mild hip dysplasia and mom said, oh… I said I would adjust him and I gave her some exercise and things to do. She said, āWill you please call the orthopedic surgeon?ā Fine, I called the guy.
And I called him up and he goes, āI donāt know what youāre going to do.ā He goes, āIāve operated on babies like that,ā he goes, āyou have to pull and yank at that hip because those ligaments are tight. You really have to push and force it. I donāt know how youāre going to do that from the outside.ā After I threw up, I hung on the phone up and I said to mom, I
said, āWhy donāt we just give this two months and theyāll re X-Ray, if thereās a problem, go from there.ā And of course, the kid was fine.
There are always times for emergency procedures. There are always time to take the next step, but they need to be able, one, I know that most chiropractors will listen to parents better. Weāll take their information. And also, we have a global look at the process. So, weāre going to look at all the things that impact him. I ask parents, I say, āWhatās the babyās Apgar score?ā And theyāll go, āWhy?ā I say, āWell, because sometimes the Apgar score gives me an idea of how stressful the birth was to the baby.ā I understand that it mightāve been hard or difficult or easy for you, whatever that was around that birth, but how did the baby react to it? If it had a really low Apgar score, thatās telling me that baby came out distressed. Those are the kind of factors that we can factor in and that most medical doctors donāt. If the baby had a Apgar score of four and then five minutes later have Apgar score nine, theyāre happy. And Iām like, well, that was just a stressed baby whose system wasnāt able to respond to that stress, but where did that stress land?
Dr. Laura Brayton:
And I would even say some of the most natural, least stress type of births, those babies can still be born with alignment issues.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Oh, absolutely.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
And thatās why as pediatric chiropractors weāre like, just bring in the baby for a wellness checkup as soon after birth as possible. We can prevent a lot of these issues.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Having, like you said, a more natural birth doesnāt supersede the fact that the baby may have some kind of stress. Thereās a study they did in England, and I think it was 2015, 16, it was an osteopathic study, but they evaluated, I think it was 100 infants within 72 hours of their birth. And all of them were considered normal births. So, there were no forceps and no C-sections. Basically, they found 95% of those kids had some kind of structural imbalance, either in the cranium or the upper cervical spine, even though the birth was considered normal and natural, and that was within 72 hours, so yeah.
Thatās the other thing that we talk about, and I think you made a really good point. Weāre chiropractors, weāre not just looking for symptoms. Weāre looking to see function, neurological function. So, bring the child into get checked. If thereās nothing wrong, great. If thereās something wrong, we can do it. We donāt want to wait until the childās not nursing or having reflux. We donāt want to wait to that point. We want to basically get to the place where we can stop that stuff from happening.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Yeah, itās a different paradigm. Weāre looking at more of that preventive mindset. Itās very interesting. The parents that are already patients in my practice really get it. But if Iām seeing a family and the infantās coming in because they canāt latch and theyāre the first family member to get chiropractic care, theyāre viewing it a little bit like physical therapy, like letās resolve this issue once a week for four weeks, whatever it is. And they now, oh, okay, Iām breastfeeding and Iām out of here. Thatās the parentās choice. But I think what I really want to share, and I know you big message is as well, is that thereās so much more we can do with ongoing maintenance visits for helping with milestone development.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Absolutely. I think thereās two problems around that. One is, when I started practicing, we didnāt have the internet. We just had slates and we just carved, no, we didnāt. We didnāt have the internet. So, how I got kids to come in is I got parents in, I adjusted them, I educated them and they went, āOh, I want to bring my kid in.ā Now, itās backwards because they go on the internet and they find all this stuff that chiropractors help with colic, this, the whole list, and they bring the kid in. Theyāve never been to chiropractors. They have chiropractic ideology. Itās medical model. My kid is not sleeping, I want my kid to sleep. So, four weeks later, the kidās sleeping. Theyāre like, have a nice day, doc. It is, it behooves us as chiropractors to educate people, not to sell what weāre doing, but to give them an opportunity.
I have a perfect example of a baby today. The came in, she was referred by a dentist. The dentist refers to me a lot. The baby had a revision, but the baby still wasnāt nursing. He said, āGo see Dr. Rosen.ā I told the mom about the first phase of care. And then that there was a second phase of care to make sure the pattern is changed and do reconstructive and check your baby. So, today was the last visit on what she signed up for, which was the care to see if the babyās symptoms got better. And it was three weeks into care. I think it was three weeks. Anyhow, I did my evaluation.
I sat down with mom. I said, āHowās she doing?ā She goes, āWell, sheās nursing and sheās doing better.ā I say, āThis is the time now where you have to make a decision. Do you remember what we talked about that thatās great that we helped your baby with the symptoms, but your baby still has some underlying problems that we also want to help increase the function of her system? Do you want to continue on care because now is the jumping off point for you?ā And she signed up to continue on care. I put her on once week.
I was very happy with that because at least I felt like I was able to communicate with her and I didnāt lose this baby because what I see in practice, and Iāve seen it numerous times, and itās very painful, is Iāll see people come in with their babies and it happens, they come with the babies, the baby gets better, whatever the issue was. And then anywhere from nine to 10 years later, the parent will come back here with the kid is having all these other kind of problems. And what happened is they stopped care. I had one kid, when I saw him as a little kid he had all kinds of health issues. We saw him for about six or eight weeks. He got much better. His father brought him in at nine because heās a toe walker. He has never not toe walked at nine years old, and he had some other neurological issues.
Another kid, I saw her when she was about 16 months. I saw her for about six months. She had a whole list of problems. She got better. She just came in at 13 with a scoliosis and seizures because they never… Actually, now, which is amazing, not only is the curvature going away, they just had another EEG and they found no seizure activity. I know. 10, 11 years and this kid was literally suffering because the mom, whatever it was, was it my fault, was it our communication, was it a different parent and never got the message? That, I think, is where we lack the commitment to do that.
You said something again, and I love to come back to this because one of the things that dentists did that was genius, they were losing a market share. So, what they did is they all got together and said that people should get their teeth checked and cleaned periodically. Letās say itās every six months. And when they come to get it cleaned every six months, they also get checked by the dentist. And if thereās nothing wrong, you go home and you go get your teeth cleaned next six months. If thereās something wrong, they suggest it. What chiropractors have to do is just what you said is get them to understand that your child should come in to get checked or you should come in to get checked. If thereās nothing wrong, go home and then come back. Thereās nothing wrong with that paradigm. Itās actually the paradigm that we want.
People will say to me sometimes if I adjust them and I do a lot and there are maintenance care, they go, āOh, I got my moneyās worth today.ā Iāll stop and say, āNo, you didnāt,ā I said, āBecause maintenance care is not about me finding a lot of stuff to do. The whole idea is either Iām not doing it right, youāre doing something wrong, or your maintenance care is too long.ā And Iāll say, āYou know what? We had a lot to do today. Youāve been coming every month. Why donāt you set up a time for two weeks?ā And in my practice, people do that. They go, āYeah.ā I donāt want to adjust your knee, your elbow, your hip, your head, your neck, your back. Thatās not maintenance care.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thatās not maintenance.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
No, thatās not. Itās like going to the dentist and he goes, oh, well, Iām glad you came in because you need a scaling, a root canal. And they just give you a list of… And you go, oh, thatās great, doc, I got my moneyās worth today. You going to take all my teeth out and put in an implant. No, you freak out.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
They also do charge more for that care. We give it all for the same price.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Right, exactly.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Itās important for people to understand, the moms listening, recognizing why you would bring your child in regularly to get checked by a pediatric chiropractor. Like Dr. Rosen said, that first year life is just so instrumental. Can we talk a little bit more about common vs. normal, what you do with that first year of life?
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Yeah. Okay. In the first year of life, the childās nervous system is so, so, so sensitive that whatās happening is theyāre actually forming what are called synapses. And synapses are the interrelation between the nerves that create the pathways. Think about it this way, if youāre building a city and you put people in that city and you want to be able to connect them with roadways, the synapses are the roadways part of the roadways that youāre trying to connect and the communication lines, if you were talking about telephone lines or youāre talking about Wi-Fi, whatever youāre talking about, cell towers, those are all the communication synapses. And the actual peak synaptic development, the time your bodyās creating the most synapses, it reaches that at eight months of age. Thatās why. So, youāre laying a foundation. Itās like if you donāt build enough neurological foundation, then when kids get older, they start to develop problems.
Most of the time when kids are diagnosed with issues, itās somewhere around age three to four. Again, we go back to the fact that that happened or the groundwork was set in the first two years of life. When theyāre three or four and they have to call on more of their nervous system to function what we call the front part of the brain where maybe theyāre going to school or they have to think more or they have to become more responsible as kids. When that happens, their system starts to fail because theyāre working so hard just to maintain that baseline level. So, when you call more input into them, like the difference between sensory integrative and sensory proprioceptive disorder is basically a kid who canāt process information. One of those kids will shut down because the information just overwhelms them. The other kid will act out and get violent. Itās actually the same neurological issue. Itās just how they act around that. And that, again, is set in their first year of life.
So, the brain grows 101%. But whatās really incredible, and thatās why Iām really upset about the CDC thing, is the cerebellum, which is right at the base of the brainstem here. Itās like your mainframe computer. It processes all the information it has those pre-programmed moves we talked about, it grows, now catch this 240% in the first year life. Thatās your mainframe computer. Thatās where all the information gets processed. Thatās like if you buy a computer with a really small hard drive and start downloading a lot of pictures, what happens? It stops, or your phone, whatever it is. You canāt download anymore. Thatās what happens to kidsā brains if there is interference with the way the cerebellum functions, itās the processing center. So, they canāt process information. Thatās when all those processing disorders occur. By age two, 80 to 90%, the adult volume of nerve cells are being laid down.
So, when we start to take milestones, reflexes, developmental things and push that bar away, what weāre doing is weāre really setting up for failure later on in life. If they have traumatization. There was a study done in the 1990s actually, and they found that if there was traumatization to the lower cervical spine, which often happens during the birth process from tractioning, if there was trauma in that because we are fault-tolerant individuals, which means we can compensate for those issues, that we will do that for a while, but when we hit age five or age six, that ability to compensate or that threshold breaks. When that threshold breaks, then we start to see symptoms. Kids may have behavioral issues, they may complain of headaches, they may have learning disabilities, they can have behavioral issues because what happens is theyāve been compensating for so long, and then when the threshold is no longer, it will be reached, the system breaks down, and that occurs as soon as the birth process. It can happen if thereās traction on the upper cervical spine.
What you have to understand about the pediatric spine is that itās different than an adult spine. And what it is, itās very pliable, and most of the injuries come from things being tractioned or too tight. And when that happens, nerves canāt fire correctly. And if nerves canāt fire correctly, then the body canāt respond correctly. Thatās why we have to track reflexes. Thatās why we track milestones. Thatās why we wrote in the book, Itās All in the Head. We gave people normal parameters that they can watch to track their baby. The other thing that we also see is visual issues on the outside. As a chiropractor, we evaluate peopleās spines. Thatās what people are looking for. A lot of times, parents will come in or theyāll say, oh, my husband always walks you with one shoulder high or one hip is higher.
A runner will say, boy, when I run, doc, I feel like my left leg is hitting the ground harder. Well, those compensations and those distortions go all the way up into the cranium. Watch the news, well, donāt watch the news now because itās horrible.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Donāt watch the news.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
But watch the talking heads on the news and see how they speak. And youāll see they have head tilts, their jaw deviates from one side. Watch babies. Itāll be the same thing. A little baby just came in the other day and mom said, āHe really likes to nurse on my right breast, but he hates nursing on my left breast.ā And as soon as you look at the kid and I saw his jaw, I could see his jaw deviated to one side. Every time he opened his mouth, his jaw would pull to one side. Of course, one side of his bite or his suck was stronger than the other, so he liked to nurse on the side that was stronger. Youāll see things with the eyes, watch kidsā eyes and see if their eyes track. Itās very important when theyāre learning to walk that their eyes track straight against the horizon. Itās called the visual proprioceptive righting reflex. If their eyes donāt track normal, theyāll have balance issues.
Sometimes parents will say, oh, Johnnyās just not coordinated. Well, itās not that Johnnyās not just coordinated, is that his neurological system is under stress and he canāt balance it right. You can see it, by the way, his eyes track. Or youāll have other things where kids, at a certain point in your life, your eyes, which around age three, your eyes supposed to converge, which means theyāll be able to look to the midline. If you canāt do that, you canāt read. So, if your kidās going to school and having trouble reading very often it could be just because neurologically speaking, he canāt converge his eyes, which means if he puts something within 18 inches of his face, he canāt see it clearly because his eyes donāt converge. Or theyāll get headaches when they read because one eye tends to drift. These are all neurological signs that we can tell or parents can tell when these are happening, that their children are having neurological challenges.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
If they start to see these things, what would you recommend for them?
Dr. Martin Rosen:
To see a pediatric chiropractor? If parents bring their child to a physician and then the physician either doesnāt agree or now follows the new CDC milestone, which is your kid doesnāt have to speak two words by age 12, donāt worry about it if heās not talking by 14 months or 18 months. Theyāre going to follow that guideline. Most chiropractors are not. Matter of fact, any chiropractor I have spoken to is appalled by those new guidelines. If you feel like thereās something wrong with your child, itās your job as a parent to seek appropriate help. Pediatric chiropractors are trained to determine neurological function, and not just baseline neurological function, but to actually strive to create optimal function. We donāt want to settle just for making that threshold. We like to see kids get beyond that threshold. Not every kidās going to be a genius and every kidās going to be perfect, but within that nervous system, we can optimize their function so that their individual potential can be reached. Thatās our goal.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thatās the goal. I think for moms listening, if youāre looking for a pediatric chiropractor community, you can go to the ICPA website, International Chiropractic Pediatric Association, and they have a list of accredited doctors.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
They do. And also, if you want to go to our website, itās drmartinrosen.com. And go to our graduates, we have a whole list of all the people whoāve graduated from our courses. Youāre going to be on that list soon.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thatās right.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Thatās right. We have a list of that too. You go on there, you can find pediatric chiropractors that are trained. And the ICPA, like you said, is a great website. Thereās a bunch of programs out there now that are training pediatric chiropractors because weāre in such need and such demand.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Such need. I want to talk a little bit about the cranial distortions that you see in your practice because I think thatās also something that the average chiropractor is not adjusting the skull.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
The simple version is 80% of the central nervous system is in your brain. Thatās where 80% of the control mechanisms are. And as I said earlier, let me show you this, so this is a little babyās skull. And what makes it so different and so unique is that all these soft spots and all these bones are not quite joined together. Theyāre separated by the dural system. The dura is that system that attaches comes outside of the cranium, attaches around the cranial bones, comes down through the neck, through the foramen magnum here, attaches all the way down the spine all the way to the tailbone, and attaches to every single nerve root as it exits the spine. So itās a system that controls how much tension is in the nervous system and controls how two things happen. One, how nerves transmit impulses, and two, how cerebrospinal fluid moves up and down the spine, which we talked about a little while ago.
So, if there are distortions in this cranium and then it grows to the point where the sutures seal or fuse, then those distortions become more permanent. What happens is the distortions are a reflex of how much tension the attachment points are inside of the dura. If you see a child with a very, what they call plagiocephaly with one side of the head flat and one bulging out, or they call brachycephaly with the head really flat and wide, or you see one ear really higher than the other. Picture that that soft tissue underneath it is being torqued. That creates tension. If you think of a tent, if I have a tent pole and one side of the tent pole is pulled or the other, thatās whatās happening inside the cranium. And when that happens, it affects the nerves by putting abnormal pressure on the brain.
It affects the dura by changing tension on the nervous system. And also, it affects the way cerebrospinal fluid flows. We all have some distortions, weāre not all perfect, but when the distortions get too big and they affect the tension membranes in that, youāll see… If you have a little boy or girl and theyāre constantly banging their head, thereās a good chance that the reason theyāre banging their head is because thereās something inside thatās bothering them thatās too tight and theyāre trying to loosen it. Or you have a baby or child that keeps smacking themselves in the head, or a baby or child that can only nurse on one side that we talked about a minute ago, or a baby who doesnāt turn their head as well to one side or the other. All those things are telling you that the system is too tight, itās too wound up.
We start looking at the cranium and work our way all the way down the spine, all the way to the tailbone because we think itās the entire system and that entire tube is connected. In our world, we feel itās extremely important to make sure that these cranial bones are in the right position. So when they become adult, like this guy over here and they become what actual sutures and they actually start to fuse, then we want to make sure that that process has become as symmetrical as possible to create as least amount of tension within the central nervous system as possible.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Obviously, if thereās a kid that has a, especially a moderate to severe plagiocephaly or distortion in their cranium, we can assume that thereās going to be developmental challenges with the brain that first year of life, depending on where the flatness is located.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
I have never seen a kid with whatās a pretty severe plagiocephaly that doesnāt have, when the parent comes in, doesnāt have another list of symptoms, whether it be the child canāt turn over, child hates tummy time, my kid only sleeps an hour and a half and wakes up. Their system is real tense, theyāre hypersensitive, they have allergies, eczema, anything, their system… Iāve never honestly can say that Iāve never seen a kid with severe plagiocephaly that there are not lists of other things that are going on because of how the nervous system is under stress.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Itās really that simple. So all we have to do is take the stress off a nervous system and then it can function normally.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Sometimes this helps parents when they think about it. When you put a helmet on a child, if they have plagiocephaly, so thereās a flat spot and thereās a bulging spot, and what they do or what a helmet does is it takes where the bulging spot is and creates a pressure against that side of the head, and on the flat spot it leaves a space. So, this is what it looks like. Thereās a space here, and what itās doing is itās forcing the head, the cranium to grow into that space. Itās actually inhibiting the growth here. Whatās causing that growth to happen is that, as I said, the brain is growing 101% in the first year. What actually theyāre forcing to happen is theyāre forcing the brain to now grow in this direction because thatās how the cranium expands. Thatās the external process of the helmet, and it does have some negative side effects.
What chiropractors do is weāre finding the areas of the dura thatās too tight. For example, if a little baby has a problem with their neck here, and itās pulling really tight on the attachment to this cranium bone here called the occiput, if itās pulling too tight, itās not going to allow that bone to expand. And so, if that bone canāt grow normally, whatās going to happen again, the brain is going to force the cranium to grow in the other direction because itās going to increase in size. But if I release the tension here, if I release that internal tension, then I can allow that occiput to move normally. And once the body sees that, itās going to then allow the brain to shift back towards that position and balance itself out. As a chiropractic paradigm, itās an internal mechanism as opposed to the medical paradigm, which is an external mechanism. What weāre actually doing is correcting an imbalance. So, not only weāre changing the plagiocephaly, but weāre changing the tone of the nervous system, so thatās increasing function as well.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Itās so much more than just aesthetics. I think that drives me nuts. When I hear a pediatrician, okay, this babyās got a flat head, and not just that look, but in thereās facial issues that come with it. Put them on them in a helmet so that their face is straight and it can wear glasses with even ears.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Right. Exactly. Thatās the chiropractic paradigm. We have a global outlook. We donāt compartmentalize the body. Itās like, oh, this is an eye, this is an ear, this is a mouth. Itās like, no, this is an entire picture, and thatās what weāre trying to… Weāre make the picture balance as opposed to… In medicine, very often, not all medical doctors, but very often they compartmentalize. You see that happen, especially during COVID. You see that happen all the time. People will call their medical doctor up and say, oh, it doesnāt sound right, you should go to the emergency room. Itās like they donāt even want to deal with that stuff if itās not within their awareness level or whatever, their treatment protocol level. Chiropractors donāt compartmentalize. We globalize. If your tailbone is crooked and your head is crooked and things are not functioning and moving normal, we want to create balance in that system, so things balance normally.
Again, dealing with optimum function, thatās what weāre trying to do. Weāre trying to create an optimum situation or an optimum foundation for the childās nervous system to grow so that they can literally be, I know it sounds like a clichĆ©, but be all they can be when things change. We talked about the Olympics in the beginning. Athletes train and function under optimum tension. Athletes use chiropractic care all the time to increase their optimum function. It can happen as people get older, but just imagine if you lay down this amazing foundation before this whole nervous system develops. So, what youāve given your kid is a really strong, strong baseline from which to grow from. That to me, is the secret of what we do.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Itās so powerful. Thereās no drugs, no surgery. This is just really supporting the innate intelligence of the body to heal and function normally. I remember when I first started practicing, I donāt hear it so much anymore, but itās like a new patient. Oh, doc, if I start getting adjusted, Iām going to have to get adjusted for the rest of my life. Youāre going hooked on the crack.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Right. Exactly.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Iāve been under care my whole life and I canāt imagine not getting an adjustment. My body functions better. I feel better physically, mentally, emotionally when I get adjusted. So, why would I not want that?
Dr. Martin Rosen:
I ask patients, I said, āIs there anything that you own that you donāt have to take care of? Do you have a house?ā Stuff falls. We have a house. We just put a new roof on two years ago. Itās like, oh, thereās only a couple of holes, I think Iāll just leave it until actually the water pours into the house. Or they think that they get addicted, like weāre addicted to chiropractic care. No. Whatās happening is when your bodyās functioning and itās not. And when you feel like itās not functioning, then you feel off and you know that itās off and you want to get it corrected. Now, I havenāt been adjusted my whole life. I didnāt discover chiropractic until I was about 19, but Iāve been adjusted ever since then. But my kids have been adjusted since they were born.
The whole idea again is that weāre checking the spine, weāre improving function, and if you want to maintain your spine for the rest of your life, so people say to me, āHey doc, how long do I have to come in?ā I said, āUntil you donāt get rid of your spine.ā As long as you have a spine, it needs to be checked. Different people need to be checked at different times depending on what their activity level is and their health level and all that. But yeah, itās really about optimizing function. Again, it makes me as crazy as it makes you.
Itās like if you put gas in your car, do you never have to put gas in your car again? Itās like all these things that we want to maintain, but we donāt want to maintain our body. Weāre addicted if we have to go to the chiropractor. I said, āNo, youāre getting your spine checked.ā I live in New England. And so, one of the things we always have to overcome is donāt fix if it aināt broken. Thatās like the New England paradigm. Itās like, well, some things if you wait till they break, you canāt fix. So, you donāt… Yeah.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
I think thatās whatās beautiful about maintenance is itās not about symptoms. You can ideally see your chiropractor when youāre not having pain and youāre going to prevent that pain from happening. Youāre going to feel better, function better, less prone to injury. Oh, I was just going to say, a big mantra on my podcast is, mama self-care. So, really mothers taking care of themselves first with chiropractic being part of that so that they can take care of everyone else around them.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Perfect example of that. I just had a woman, she came in last week and I adjusted her. She said, āIām due really soon. I feel like itās coming.ā I said, āI might not be here on Friday.ā When Iām supposed to come in. I said, thatās fine, no problem. This morning she came in, she gave birth on Friday. She gave birth on Friday. She came in, she said, I didnāt say this, she said it, so no one blamed me. She said it was an easy birth. It was five and a half hours. She said it, not me. But it was five and a half hours.
But she said, āBut Iām tired and my pelvis. So, I wanted to come in and get adjusted. My mother and father are at my house, so I just left the baby to come here and get adjusted, and next week Iām going to bring the baby in for you to check. My other son was…ā But it was right, she needed to take care of herself. She knew it. She felt the birth was fairly easy on the baby, so she didnāt feel the baby was really distressed. So, sheās bringing the baby in next week, but she needed to take care of herself so she could take care of her baby. It was a perfect example. And she was right on. She gave birth on Friday and she was in on Tuesday.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Yeah, I love that. I remember getting adjusted six days after I gave birth. I saw Dr. Christine Benner, and I brought my son in as well.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Oh, Christine. Yeah.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Yeah. I reached out to her. I was like, āMy son has got a left temporal issue going on. Iām not in a head space to adjust him right now. And by the way, while Iām there, can I get an adjustment?ā So, we both received care and it was powerful. I wasnāt having necessarily any pain. I ran a marathon. It was intense work. After I got off the table, I was like, holy crap. I feel so amazing right now. And I wasnāt even in pain before.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Right. Well, thatās the difference when you change the bar. Itās like the common and normal bar that we just talked about. Itās like when change the bar, yeah, well, I donāt feel that bad. And people say that all the time to me, and Iām sure they say it to you, when they get adjusted, they get up and they go, wow, I could stand. I can take a deep breath. I feel great. And kids will do that. Youāll see a little kid come in that heās kind of lethargic and he is really tired, Iāll adjust him. Heās like, mommy can I, because we can give stickers out, they mommy, can I go get stickers? Mom looks and goes, whoās this kid? He wasnāt like that. It goes both ways. We have little babies who would… I just adjusted this little baby. He just came in. He had really severe plagiocephaly. His parents do not want to do a helmet. Weāve been taking care of him for about four weeks.
He started with a 15 millimeter difference. Now heās down to 10, but… Right, itās amazing. But he came in today and he got adjusted. He just lay on his mom. Babies are on their moms very often. He lay on his mom. He went through the whole adjustment, didnāt cry. And she goes, āOh my God, itās so different than the first time.ā Because he was very scared, he was very tense. The first time he cried a lot during the adjustment, not because heās hurt, but because he was scared and angry, and now he just lay there, got his entire adjustment, and you could see. So, his head literally changed five millimeters that changed his entire nervous system.
I want to talk about just one thing before I do that because I know this is for moms. People always ask me, well, is chiropractic care safe for kids? And what I want to tell you is that itās actually safer to adjust a baby than it is to adjust an adult. And the reason for that is because not only were very specific, we use a very low force to make an adjustment. And so the amount of force that weāre putting into the childās body is extremely low. And if the child cries, itās usually because theyāre angry because holding them in a position, as soon as we stop the adjustment, theyāll stop crying. Whereas an adult is getting adjusted and youāre going to a chiropractor who does what we call high velocity or the popping stuff, the actual force theyāre putting in your body is actually stronger. So, the efficacy and the safety of infants is almost non-existent as far as there being any issue or any problem with adjusting a baby.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Yeah, itās extremely safe, very, very safe. Thatās important. Thereās no popping or cracking with babies. Itās a very safe, light touch. One thing I see in my practice, and Iām sure you do as well, when kids are old enough to start talking, they ask their parents to bring them in for care. Theyāll be like, Johnny, ask to get an adjustment, so I called and made an appointment.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
My whole thing is make your patient or child the advocate for coming in, because kids have a lot of stuff going on as they get older. They have soccer and hockey. So if they donāt want to come to the chiropractor, theyāre going to make the parentās life miserable. And basically, youāll fall down the list of importance. I have a great story about that. I have this woman come in. She has four kids. She came in first, her husband came in. Then three of the other kids came in, and the fourth kid didnāt come in. And my wife and I, my wife works front desk. My wifeās also a chiropractor, Dr. Nancy Watson. But right, she was working at the front desk, the office. And we kept talking to her. I was like, when are you going to bring Maven? When are you going to bring Maven? No, no, I donāt know.
Finally, she brings her in and the case history, we asked, why did you bring her to this? And she wrote, because the other kids had symptoms, this one never had any particular symptoms. She goes, āI brought her in because I thought it would be cheaper to bring her in now than spending the money on her psychological care while her entire family was under chiropractic care and she wasnāt her whole life.ā I said, āI donāt care. Great reason.ā But it literally took her six months to wrap it around her head because this child was one of her children who didnāt have any symptoms. Eventually she did bring her in. But yeah, that was what she wrote. It was just like, because her kid was complaining, how come Johnnyās going? How come Sueās going? How come Iām not going?
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Iāll see that sometimes if mom and dad are on the table and the kid hasnāt been adjusted after a couple visits, they just climb right on afterwards, and looks at me like, hey, Iām next.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
And how many of your patients tell you that the kids are playing chiropractor at home?
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Oh, all the time. We send them home with little toy activators.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Oh yeah, we have those too. We give them the toy activators.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Yeah. Every stuffed animal gets adjusted. Mom and dad gets adjusted at home. They love it.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Yeah, they do. Most kids love it. Youāre right, sometimes the parent will come in and the parent goes, āOh, sheās just been driving me crazy. So when asking to come in for the last week.ā They have an innate sense. I adjust animals. I donāt know if you adjust animals. I just, dogs and cats mostly, those are the main animals. And the dogs, the people say when I pull into the parking lot, the dogs starts barking and wagging his tail because they canāt wait to come upstairs. Thereās an innate understanding of when your nervous system is working right, and when it feels right. And thereās an innate understanding of people who are helping you do that. Kids get that. Kids feel that.
I always say the hardest age that to get kids to come in regularly is preteen to teenage because their life is just busy and they donāt want to take a half hour out of being with their friends. But itās not because they donāt want the care. Itās just that Iād rather hang out at my friendās house than take the half hour or 40 minutes, go to the chiropractor. But otherwise, thereās an intuitive connection.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
There is. I think a lot of pediatric chiropractors have Saturday hours to help accommodate busy family schedules. Monday through Friday is a blur.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Itās hard for parents, yep. I agree. I think I donāt work Saturdays anymore, but then again, Iām just kind of semi-retired. But youāre right.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
What about your daughter?
Dr. Martin Rosen:
My daughter just opened her own practice.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Oh.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Yeah. It was interesting. And itās great now. She just wanted to do things different. She didnāt want to be doing things how we did it. I think it was hard because it was her mother and I and her, and then we have a couple other CAs. She opened her own practice. She left right before Christmas in December, and now sheās been opening, she took a time off in January and now sheās in the next town over.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thatās awesome.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Sheās seeing a lot of patients that she used to see at my… It was a very positive thing for all of us. She seems to be very happy sheās doing her practice where it is. At the point, Iām deciding if Iām going to hire another associate or what Iām going to do at this point in time, because Iām not willing to work any more hours. Iāve been doing it a long time and weāre already full, so weāre actually deciding what to do. But sheās, like I said, in the next town, so technically if we need to, sheās open.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Right. I think that you have four decades of experience. An associate could just learn so much and really help take on that volume, work the Saturdays.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Oh, yeah. I mean, we refer five or six people out every day because I just canāt fit them in our schedule because thereās only a limited amount of time. Thatās again what you just said, we always refer, especially the pediatrics to pediatric chiropractors. We know people in our area. We know people from our list. A day doesnāt go by when we get phone calls, do you know someone in California? I get people from Europe. Someone asked me if I knew someone in Honolulu. Itās great to have a listing of people and this great to have people study, so we can refer to them because it is a specialty. You donāt learn it in chiropractic school.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
No. Itās definitely more complex than you can learn during the basic education. This is somebody whoās really done years of additional study and is passionate about working with that population.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Right. Thatās the other piece is you really have to want to work with that population. Itās definitely a different prototype in your office. I remember one time, my kids were homeschooled for part of their lives, and so we used to have a big homeschooling community that would come in. I remember at 10:00 in the morning 10:30 in the morning, there could be 12 kids there.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Oh, wow, because they were homeschooled
Dr. Martin Rosen:
And theyāre all homeschooled and they all come in together and I remember this one guy, he owned a dojo and he did Taekwondo. He was a nationally ranked Taekwondo master. And he came at one time at the 10:30 slot, and all of a sudden I hear this slam and I go back out after I finished, adjusting a kid, I say, āWhat happened?ā And he said, āOh, it was James.ā I said, āWhat happened?ā He goes, āHe walked over the front desk, he goes, āIn my dojo, kids behave.āā And then he just slammed it down and left because there were 12 kids in the office. We had three families. There was one.
Two of them had four kids. One had three. One of my kids was in there. So, there were 12 kids in the office and it wasnāt like a dojo, letās just say.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thatās hilarious. Oh, yeah. I love it. Do you have any last thoughts that you want to share with the audience?
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Last thoughts. Yeah. Moms trust yourself. You know better than anybody else whatās going on with the kid. Thereās never been a mom that has said, I thought blah, blah, blah, blah, blah, was wrong, and everybody was arguing with me. You were right. Trust yourself. As Laura said, check on websites for pediatric chiropractors. If you want to go on Amazon or go to itsallintheheadbook.com, you can pick up our book, which will give you some baselines and weāre here to help you. If you get that book and you have questions, you can always email us. Weāll be glad to answer them. I canāt stress how important it is to have childrenās spines checked in their first two years of life to lay a strong foundation for a healthy nervous system.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Wonderful. Awesome. I really appreciate you taking the time to come out and share your passion, wisdom and everything else, knowledge.
Dr. Martin Rosen:
Great. I appreciate it. It was great. Iām really glad you had me.
Dr. Laura Brayton:
Thank you. All right, mamas, I hope you are inspired to pick up Dr. Rosenās book, Itās All in the Head, so you can really be an empowered and educated mama to understand what normal infant and childhood development looks like and really how you can optimize your childās function and potential. I think itās very exciting that we know that epigenetics is real, and when we can optimize our childās internal and external environment, they are in the best position to thrive.
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